Some Thoughts On Spiritual Fathers

I had a conversation last night on the phone with a Dear Sister, Ministry Colleague, & Spiritual Mother. Of all the things we discussed, one of them was about having spiritual sons and daughters.

 

We were comparing notes and thoughts and were quite astounded at those who claim to have thousands of sons and daughters. It is impossible to be an “Intimate” Father or Mother with Thousands of sons and daughters spiritually just as it is naturally.

 

We all know that there have been those in the natural who have bragged about how many kids they had, but spreading your seed all over creation and siring them, is far different from being intimately involved in their lives raising them.

 

Spiritual things are very much like natural things, and vise versa. To be an effective father in the natural, one must be intimately involved in the child’s life imparting influence, wisdom, foundations, character, provision, and life lessons. So it is spiritually as well.

 

It is impossible to be that kind of father both naturally and spiritually to thousands of sone and daughters. It doesn’t matter how much you know and how great you are, there is just not enough of you to go around.

 

Now I know many have considered Kenneth E Hagin a spiritual father, I know, I am one of them. But Dad (or Papa) Hagin Fathered on three levels:

  1. There were those that were intimate with him and knew him behind the scenes, traveling with him, where he poured into their lives one-on-one.
  2. There were those that were privileged to sit at his feet as students at Rhema and receive the impartation of his spirit and wisdom. (I am in this level)
  3. There were the masses that were ministered to by his books and tapes, who considered him a father in the faith, but never sat at his feet, nor ever had a personal intimate relationship with him.

 

Now in a sense, he was a Spiritual Father to all 3 levels, but only one level of the three was intimate with him. So we could say that Dad Hagin was a Spiritual Father to Thousands, but he wasn’t an “Intimate” Spiritual Father to Thousands.

 

Unfortunately, for some today in the Modern Apostolic Movement, accumulating Sons & Daughters has become some badge of success or a “bragging right” in ministry. Well, you may have Thousands who are in Level Three as listed above, but stop giving off the impression that they are all in Level One! That is Dishonest! You can’t be Intimate with that many!

 

The other thing, that is unfortunately occurring currently is people are signing up to be part of an Apostle’s Network, and be a Son or Daughter expecting Level One, and getting Level Three. Folks, that is what we call in the Business World: “Bait & Switch”!

 

It has become a Charismatic Pyramid Scheme! The poor “Sons & Daughters” are trying to buy influence and a platform, expecting one thing, and getting another. Shame on us for allowing this in the Body of Christ! Talk about a lack of Ethics!

 

I am grateful to be a Spiritual Father and for those Sons and Daughters, He has brought me into relationship with. I did not recruit any of them. God divinely orchestrated the relationships and it was witnessed to both them individually and I on a case by case basis. I do not demand that they tithe up to me in order for me to be their Father, but they all honor me from their hearts and their substance as the Lord directs them.

 

I am NOT looking for Thousands in my Network so I have a “Cash Cow”. I am looking for supernaturally engineered relationships where I can be intimate with Sons and Daughters that God has drawn to me, and me to them. Isn’t this the way it is supposed to be?

The Changing Of The Guard

Wednesday Night April 29, 2020

I was on a Zoom Prayer Call with our local Body of Believers. I had been praying according to Luke 8:17 over the Nation.

“For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light.”

After praying for hidden things to continue to be exposed and uncovered, I began to have a Prophetic Experience where I was seeing and hearing some things, first regarding the Nation, then regarding the Church:

 
“Father, thank you so much for what You are doing, thank you so much for what You are doing. You raise up one and you set down another, you raise up one and you set down another and I thank you and I heard the phrase from the Spirit: ‘The Changing of the Guard, the Changing of the Guard.’

Those who have been in positions of power and it’s not just in the political realm, it’s in the church realm. We keep talking about the 7 mountain influence, 7 mountain influence. Well, it’s about time there’s a changing of the guard on every mountain. You raise up one and you set down another. You raise up one and you set down another. And there are those that have been in positions of power that are about to be court-martialed.

They are about to have the rank ripped off their jackets. The oak clusters are being ripped off their shoulders because they are not worthy to walk in the authority that they carry. There are some that are about to have handcuffs put on them and taken from the palace to the prison. They’re about to have the handcuffs put on them as they go from the palace to the prison.

You are raising up some and taking down another. There’s a changing of the guard. There’s a court-martial coming on many mountains. Father make it so… Make it so in Jesus’ name! Do your purpose! As they are bound, as they are bound, I see handcuffs and zip ties coming around the hands so that the fists are at the wrists – they’re locked as they are bound and carted away.

Because their fists, representing their power, is being bound up and taken away, they will not be able to exercise their power anymore. Their power is being taken from them because when their authority gets ripped their power gets tied and they can’t exercise power. Only those with authority can exercise power.

The Court-martial is the binding of their wrists and the binding of their hands and there can be no exercise of power because they’ve lost their authority. Thank you that you are raising up those that have a heart for you, those that have a heart for the kingdom, those that have a heart for ekklesia, those that have a heart for the body of Christ, and you are doing it across every mountain.

You’re doing it in entertainment, you’re doing it in the arts, you’re doing it in government, you’re doing it even within the church. There are some that are in leadership within the church, that they have been on a power trip and they’ve been building their kingdom and not yours, and they haven’t had the heart of the people before their eyes and it’s been about building them instead of building your people, and there is coming a ripping of the oak clusters from off of their shoulders and a binding of their hands for they will not be able to exercise their influence or power because they are being stripped of their authority.

And those that have been in the quiet place, those that have been in the cave of preparation, those are the ones that are being raised up. And the oak clusters that have been ripped off the shoulders of those that don’t belong there anymore, that have overstayed their welcome for there is ‘a pinning’, there is ‘a pinning’, of new rank for those coming out of the cave of preparation.

There is a pinning of a new rank and that new rank causes a new authority and a new power that is bringing the church into a place that it needs to be. We are in a mighty prophetic season right now where the changing of the guard is at hand within the church. And there will be leaders that are known on a national level that will be here today and gone tomorrow! In a twinkle of an eye because they are not worthy of the power that they have. Those that are seemingly unknown are rising. But they are not rising to be superstar leaders, they are rising to be the empowering forces within the church that the day of the saints is at hand.”

After this word was released a young lady (a teenager) in the church said I have a Scripture and began to read:

 
“So I will drive you out of your office, And from your position, he will pull you down. Then it shall be in that day, That I will call My servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah; I will clothe him with your robe, And strengthen him with your belt; I will commit your responsibility into his hand. He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, And to the house of Judah. The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder; So he shall open, and no one shall shut, And he shall shut, and no one shall open. I will fasten him as a peg in a secure place, And he will become a glorious throne to his father’s house.”
Isaiah 22: 19-23

Judging With Righteous Judgement

Have you ever had song lyrics run through your mind? What about a very well-known expression? What about a certain Scripture? How about when it all happens at once?

Song: One Bad Apple of the Osmond Brothers fame. “One bad apple don’t spoil the whole bunch.”

Expression: “Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.” I can remember Rev. Kenneth E. (Dad) Hagin saying this one a lot.

Scripture: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24

The other night I was the guest of my fear friend Apostle, Don Hughes, on his Facebook Live broadcast. During the broadcast that lasted about an hour and 10 minutes, we discussed many things. Some of which included topics about why certain things are the way they are in the church, especially when it comes to Ministers and Leaders.

We were wondering and speculating with all of the progress we have seemed to make, how in the world we seem to still have so many hangups and concerns both between Leaders, as well as with the Body of Christ towards Leaders.

Enter the song. The famous song says that – “One bad apple don’t spoil the whole bunch.” But, unfortunately, that is exactly what seems to be happening in far too many cases. We have an isolated case or cases of a bad apple (s) or actor (s), and we want to ‘tar everyone with the same brush’ whether justified or not.

Enter the expression. The famous expression says – “Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.” The implication is that the water gets dirty and you throw it away or let it go down the drain, but you don’t get rid of the baby at the same time. Yet, it seems that is what we do in many cases. We want to throw the good away with the bad, not taking the time to do what the Scripture says…

 
Enter the Scripture. The well-known Scripture says – “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24 To do this requires some time. Because we live in such a fast-paced, ‘rat race’ society, most of us don’t want to take the time required to do this.

It is much easier to just discount and do away with everything than to judge each instance or case on its own merits. Just because one Preacher was manipulative when receiving an offering, doesn’t mean all preachers are. Just because one “Prophet” was in it for “Profit” doesn’t mean all prophets are.

We must learn to judge with righteous judgment. We must examine the fruit, motives, and character, of each leader we encounter. I have encountered some leaders that make my skin crawl, but that doesn’t mean all Leaders make my skin crawl.

Jesus did say: “By their fruit, you would know them.” He never said: “By their gift or anointing, you would know them.” It is time we become fruit inspectors and judge with righteous judgment.

I refuse to label all prophets as bad just because there are some charlatans out there. I refuse to label all preachers as money-grubbers because some are. I refuse to view all leaders as power-hungry individuals trying to control people’s lives when I know there are true Servant-Leaders out there.

Do you understand what I am saying? It is time we evaluate everyone on an individual basis. Just because one doctor is bad, doesn’t mean all doctors are bad. Just because one lawyer is bad, doesn’t mean all lawyers are bad. Just because one cop is bad, doesn’t mean all cops are bad. Just because one salesman is bad, doesn’t mean all salesmen are bad. And, just because one preacher is bad, doesn’t mean all preachers are bad.

Folks, “One bad apple don’t spoil the whole bunch.”

“Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.”

“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

It Seemed Good To The Holy Ghost And To Us

 

“For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us…” Acts 15:28a

 

Oh how I have longed for the Leaders in Ekklesia to come to the place that they could actually say this and mean it. The sad truth is, we have been so splintered and fractured that we could never even get a quorum of Leaders to come together in mutual submission and accountability to ever make such a statement.

 

We really do have our work cut out for us. How is it that these Leaders in the early church were able to speak with a unified voice, that was respected, listened to, adhered to, and followed?

 

I believe the next phase of what we must work towards in our Regional Alignments is to get to the place where we can have Leaders speak just like this…a unified voice…that is respected, listened to, adhered to, and followed.

 

How do we begin? That is the Question! We must start somewhere to get from where we are to get where we are going. I am sure most of us would agree that this is where we need to go…but we surely are not even close now.

 

The Work Has Already Begun: in many regions, including my own here in NJ, we have seen leaders begin to come together. We are beginning to see that we must cross-pollinate and bridge the gaps of race, gender, generation, and doctrinal camp or stream. This is a good start…but in and of itself…will not get us to our goal.

 

Not Every Leader In A Region Is A Leader Of The Region: we must come to the realization that all leaders in a region do not carry the same measure or metron to their sphere, nor the same mantle to their assignment. This does not make one greater than another, just coming to the place that we live in accordance with Romans 12 and not think more highly of ourselves than we ought to. I often tell those that I mentor that if you want to determine your metron or mantle, just look at how others perceive and receive you, it will give you a realistic understanding.

 

Competition Must Die: in order for us to move forward to where we are going, we must get to the place that we realize that we are Not In Competition with one another. We must get to the place where we realize that we do not Compete with each other, we Complete each other. We all have things that we are good at, are gifted for, have strengths and weaknesses; where one is weak another is strong, and as we apply our strengths to other’s weaknesses everyone is always shored up as no one is weak anymore.

 

I Don’t Have Anything To Prove: we must get over our own insecurities, where we feel like we must always prove who we are by comparing ourselves to others with the “me too” mentality. (not talking about the “Me Too” movement, but I can do that too or am that too) Usually, these thoughts stem from an orphan spirit, and not understanding one’s place as a “Son”. When you have been around for a while in ministry, you know who you are, what you are, you just get to the place that you don’t have anything to prove.

 

Know Those That Labor Among You: this scripture has been used often in negative connotations through the years as a way to keep folks from participating in ministry and has produced nepotism and cliques, which were not the intended purpose of this verse. Rather it was meant to be a positive where you come into relationship with others you no longer know them after the flesh, but after the spirit, recognizing the gifting and grace that is on their life…”what they bring to the table”.

 

Next Level Leaders: as we have begun to come together across our regions, we are now tasked with beginning to know those among us. Who are those that are respected by all that have a larger mantle or metron? Again, this is not a place for ego, but who has the consensus of recognition as Leaders Of The Region…not just leaders in the region? As these Next Level Leaders are recognized in the Region, they can meet together, pray together, become a “Counsel of Elders” or “Regional Apostolic/Prophetic Counsel”.

 

It Seemed Good To The Holy Ghost And To Us: once these Next Level Leaders are recognized, they meet together, pray together, discuss together, they are ready to speak with a unified voice and make this declaration…but not until.

 

Are we there yet? Absolutely Not! Are we in the process? In many regions we are. Some are more advanced in the process than others, but we can all agree that we have a ways to go.

 

Some need to come to the place that they understand that not every leader in the region is a leader of the region.

 

Some need to come to the place that they learn to let competition die.

 

Some need to become secure in who they are with nothing to prove.

 

Some need eyes to see who the hand of the Lord is on with greater measure and mantle.

 

Wherever we are in the process, we all must walk in mutual submission and mutual accountability to other leaders, or we will never get to the place that this declaration could be uttered from us. Oh, that we could come to the place that we could utter: “It Seemed Good To The Holy Ghost And To Us!”

Will Supporting Trump Ruin my Witness?

Read this if you dare…thought provoking to say the least

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One of the arguments made by the editor of Christianity Today Magazine was that supporting Trump ruined our witness to America. No one yearns to win souls more than I do, therefore, I will tackle this argument, beginning with a story that seems to be analogous.

After the United States Army liberated the German concentration camps, General Eisenhower viewed the incomprehensible horror. His reaction was to make every soldier in the area come and see it for themselves.

When he was asked why he had subjected these men to such savagery and why he forced them to view images which they could never wash from their minds, he said this, “We are told that the American soldier does not know what he was fighting for. Now, at least he will know what he is fighting against.”

Millions of Christians look at Trump and see a man who is not perfect…

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THE CHURCH IS WASTING GOD’S POWER AND FAILING TO GRASP THE END TIMES

A word to the wise…

The Flaming Herald

This is a compilation of several major visions and prophecies of last days events leading up to the coming of the Lord. I’ve shared most of them individually before, but now here I highlight excerpts from each one. I encourage you to save these excerpts and meditate on them.

WIGGLESWORTH – 1927

There must be special preparation for the return of Christ and at least half of all believers will be totally unprepared. We have to see that these days have to come before the Lord can come. There has to be a falling away. I want to speak to you very exactly. All the people which are pressing into and getting ready for this glorious attained place where they shall not be found naked, where they shall be blameless, where they shall be immovable, where they shall be purified by the power of the Word of God, have within them…

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THEY ARE SAYING

A dire warning for the out of balance Spirit only (Word not required) bunch running rampant in many of our Charismatic/Pentecostal circles.

Mario Murillo Ministries

Satan has seduced many believers into separating the Holy Spirit and the Bible—by pitting them against each other.  The Bible not only predicted this deception, it exposed the motive behind it.

2 Timothy 4:3 says “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers…”

What they can’t endure is the Bible.  They play the ‘God card’ in order to fulfill their lusts, and then blame the Holy Spirit.

Many parents have had the following experience: They tell one of their children, “Go tell your sister, ‘Daddy says it’s time for bed.’”  Before very long, your children will begin using those magic words, “Daddy says”—even when Daddy didn’t say. That is one of the dangers of not judging prophecy. It is easy to use the words, “God told me that!” when…

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Bridging The Gap

Great Blog by my friend Lisa Perna about the Love Of Jesus and He uses us to release it.

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Music is just one of the many ways God speaks to me. It’s in music that He really touches me the deepest. In those lyrics, My Father reveals His love, desire, and message for my understanding.

I guess in songs my mind and spirit become more open, so He uses that a lot.

I was listening to Carol King on a Pandora radio station when the Simon and Garfunkel song came on. The song was “Bridge Over Troubled Water” and it was a song I thought I knew, however, God began to speak to me about the deeper meaning of the lyrics.

The song began and I started to get the download. I could feel the great love being released in each note. The lyrics were weaving a story that was speaking to the depths of my soul. It was a love song that was being sung for my heart…

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The Love Walk

A powerful look at Jesus’ Love.

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There are moments in our life when we try to understand the pain we are going through. It’s those times or seasons that everything is going wrong or spiraling out of control. In desperation for strength, some will turn fully to Jesus and lean solely on Him.

The secret place of intimacy is where the healing begins. Jesus draws us closer to him, into His heart for deeper revelation. The time seems to stand still as you encounter His love. Layer upon layer of pain is peeled away as your wounds are being healed by The Great Physician.

Jesus understands it all. He endured all the pain and suffering that we can encounter in our life. He knows what abandonment, rejection, jealousy, hatred, betrayal, false accusations and dishonor all feels like.

Reading through the scriptures I tried to comprehend a love so great that you would want to lay your…

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Reformation Apoatles and Prophets!

Great Blog by my Friend Apostle Jim Becton.

James Becton Ministries/ EaglesVision Apostolic Co!

I love the renewed emphasis on the clarification of apostles today, their heart, function, and Sonship! I talk with ministry relationships almost every day, both prophets and apostles, and the timing for understanding apostles and prophets is crucial! I was talking with my friend, Apostle Michael Fram recently, and when he joined me in our group, Apostolic Teaching Fathers!, five year ago, it was still a big deal to identify and clarify apostles!

I found we were one of the first groups on Facebook, as many mature apostles and prophets stated when becoming a part of the group, to deal with the issues of true and false apostles! Not only that, but how to recognize emerging apostles and see the process that it takes to mature from Sonship to Apostleship, as well as the true shift from a prophet to an apostle!

We also shared about the “heart of the…

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